1 00:00:03,300 --> 00:00:09,990 [Music] 2 00:00:15,369 --> 00:00:12,009 well it's really a great honor to be 3 00:00:17,410 --> 00:00:15,379 here today and the temptation to comment 4 00:00:19,749 --> 00:00:17,420 on the previous presentations is nearly 5 00:00:21,670 --> 00:00:19,759 overwhelming but I'm going to resist it 6 00:00:28,420 --> 00:00:21,680 and instead give you the talk that I 7 00:00:31,319 --> 00:00:28,430 wrote for today yes so what I'm going to 8 00:00:34,060 --> 00:00:31,329 talk about today is hidden events and 9 00:00:36,340 --> 00:00:34,070 we've we've already talked about some of 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:36,350 the excesses of science we've talked 11 00:00:40,750 --> 00:00:37,489 about some of the excesses of 12 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:40,760 alternative science but what I'm going 13 00:00:45,730 --> 00:00:43,220 to look at today is the ability of 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:45,740 science to assimilate new information 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:47,810 especially information that's highly 16 00:00:56,380 --> 00:00:50,690 disturbing so the title of my talk is 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:00:56,390 battered kids and closed minds now one 18 00:01:01,450 --> 00:00:59,090 of the things that about anomalies is 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:01,460 when we think about making decisions 20 00:01:06,179 --> 00:01:03,050 about anomalies we need to understand 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:06,189 the dynamics of the sociology of 22 00:01:11,710 --> 00:01:09,890 information about anomalies okay and 23 00:01:14,289 --> 00:01:11,720 I've made this actually a fairly serious 24 00:01:17,289 --> 00:01:14,299 study I started the manuscript on this 25 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:17,299 in 1984 and thanks to the encouragement 26 00:01:21,819 --> 00:01:19,969 of my local sse group i literally pulled 27 00:01:23,679 --> 00:01:21,829 this out of the closet and i've started 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:23,689 working on this again so the talk that 29 00:01:29,980 --> 00:01:25,969 you're going to hear here is part of 30 00:01:32,379 --> 00:01:29,990 reflection of that that manuscript so 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:32,389 i'm going to use the battered child 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:39,760 what is it hidden event exactly hind' 33 00:01:44,529 --> 00:01:41,810 event is a widespread set of experiences 34 00:01:47,469 --> 00:01:44,539 that are counterintuitive and this 35 00:01:49,809 --> 00:01:47,479 shouldn't happen so information about 36 00:01:54,669 --> 00:01:49,819 them is slight and this contributes to 37 00:01:57,249 --> 00:01:54,679 keeping the event hidden now here are 38 00:02:00,730 --> 00:01:57,259 some key dates for the subject that 39 00:02:01,839 --> 00:02:00,740 we're going to talk about is there 40 00:02:04,269 --> 00:02:01,849 anybody in the room who's more 41 00:02:05,949 --> 00:02:04,279 knowledgeable about this than I am if 42 00:02:09,790 --> 00:02:05,959 there is I'd be curious to know because 43 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:09,800 you can act as a good critic in 1947 the 44 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:14,030 first paper in a radiology journal was 45 00:02:19,119 --> 00:02:16,370 published which discussed the battered 46 00:02:22,210 --> 00:02:19,129 child syndrome but interestingly enough 47 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:22,220 it was largely a descriptive paper about 48 00:02:25,699 --> 00:02:23,040 the 49 00:02:27,850 --> 00:02:25,709 pattern of injuries that were seen by 50 00:02:31,610 --> 00:02:27,860 this particular physician John caffee 51 00:02:33,589 --> 00:02:31,620 without necessarily indicating that the 52 00:02:36,410 --> 00:02:33,599 origin of these injuries to children 53 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:36,420 which he saw was due to parents or 54 00:02:42,559 --> 00:02:40,950 caretakers in 1955 there was a JAMA 55 00:02:44,539 --> 00:02:42,569 article published that was really 56 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:44,549 excellent which discussed the 57 00:02:50,930 --> 00:02:47,280 possibility that some of the cases of 58 00:02:53,149 --> 00:02:50,940 child injury might be due to intentional 59 00:02:54,890 --> 00:02:53,159 abuse other possibilities that were 60 00:02:57,170 --> 00:02:54,900 considered was that parents might create 61 00:02:58,839 --> 00:02:57,180 an accident-prone environment and that 62 00:03:03,259 --> 00:02:58,849 the injuries might occur in a sort of 63 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:03,269 unavoidable way in 1961 we'll talk about 64 00:03:08,569 --> 00:03:05,609 this in more detail at the academy of 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:08,579 pediatrics symposium in Chicago 66 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:11,250 the phrase battered child syndrome first 67 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:12,930 entered public consciousness and we'll 68 00:03:19,099 --> 00:03:16,170 talk about how that happened in 1962 a 69 00:03:20,780 --> 00:03:19,109 definitive JAMA article Journal of the 70 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:20,790 American Medical Association was 71 00:03:26,569 --> 00:03:24,470 published essentially detailing the 72 00:03:32,119 --> 00:03:26,579 kinds of things that one would expect to 73 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:32,129 see in battered child cases 1964 T V Ben 74 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:34,319 Casey and had an episode on child abuse 75 00:03:39,229 --> 00:03:36,810 this was very very important in 76 00:03:40,939 --> 00:03:39,239 informing the public much more important 77 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:40,949 I think than the JAMA article was and 78 00:03:45,740 --> 00:03:43,530 finally in 1974 there was a passage of 79 00:03:47,629 --> 00:03:45,750 the child abuse treatment and Prevention 80 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:47,639 Act and much could be said about that 81 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:50,370 too but I need to pass on here 82 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:52,650 now basically hidden events go through 83 00:03:57,559 --> 00:03:55,530 what I see is three stages first of all 84 00:03:59,659 --> 00:03:57,569 there are uncorrelated observations 85 00:04:02,780 --> 00:03:59,669 there are observations that don't seem 86 00:04:05,390 --> 00:04:02,790 to join up to form a pattern and we'll 87 00:04:07,309 --> 00:04:05,400 talk about how that happens then there 88 00:04:09,830 --> 00:04:07,319 is a controversy stage where there is 89 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:09,840 some public discussion of the reality of 90 00:04:16,699 --> 00:04:14,400 whatever it is I believe UFOs are in 91 00:04:20,210 --> 00:04:16,709 this stage right now 92 00:04:23,740 --> 00:04:20,220 and number three the final acceptance or 93 00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:23,750 dismissal of whatever the anomaly is 94 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:27,240 sometimes the final dismissal may may be 95 00:04:32,899 --> 00:04:29,780 a temporary thing as with for instance 96 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:32,909 continental drift and may come back in a 97 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:35,790 different form as continental drift did 98 00:04:44,210 --> 00:04:40,960 but quite often there is in fact a final 99 00:04:46,469 --> 00:04:44,220 acceptance of whatever the anomaly is 100 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:46,479 now let's talk about the first stage 101 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:49,630 uncorrelated observations and in the 102 00:04:55,980 --> 00:04:52,600 case of child abuse for years physicians 103 00:04:58,409 --> 00:04:55,990 would see injuries that children had 104 00:04:59,700 --> 00:04:58,419 that were unexplained by the parental 105 00:05:02,689 --> 00:04:59,710 histories parents would come into 106 00:05:04,980 --> 00:05:02,699 hospital with an injured child and the 107 00:05:06,719 --> 00:05:04,990 histories the parents this is a medical 108 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:06,729 term the histories of parents gave did 109 00:05:10,890 --> 00:05:09,010 not explain the injuries that were seen 110 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:10,900 and quite often interesting Lee now if 111 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:12,070 the parents didn't seem to be terribly 112 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:16,889 interested in the health of the child so 113 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:20,020 the physicians were reluctant to believe 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:22,720 that parents could inflict injuries like 115 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:25,210 this and this was a potent bar to 116 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:26,740 finding out about these kinds of things 117 00:05:32,610 --> 00:05:28,870 because if you don't want to find out 118 00:05:34,290 --> 00:05:32,620 about it often you don't one 119 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:34,300 pediatrician stood up in a meeting and 120 00:05:37,890 --> 00:05:36,310 he said if I thought parents could do 121 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:37,900 this to their children I would get out 122 00:05:44,430 --> 00:05:42,010 of Pediatrics immediately okay so this 123 00:05:46,830 --> 00:05:44,440 leads down to an interesting principle 124 00:05:50,659 --> 00:05:46,840 and the principle is this what we are 125 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:50,669 willing to see is shaped by our ability 126 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:53,889 by our ability to handle whatever the 127 00:05:59,760 --> 00:05:57,250 situation is I think this is a very 128 00:06:03,860 --> 00:05:59,770 important thing to understand that what 129 00:06:06,420 --> 00:06:03,870 we are willing to to bear witness to is 130 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:06,430 often a function of how much power we 131 00:06:14,339 --> 00:06:08,770 feel we have to affect whatever the 132 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:14,349 phenomenon is now in the uncorrelated 133 00:06:19,409 --> 00:06:15,849 event stage there is a kind of 134 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:19,419 pluralistic ignorance so that this is a 135 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:21,130 term by the way coined by the social 136 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:23,650 psychologist Floyd Alport and you 137 00:06:27,210 --> 00:06:25,330 describe pluralistic ignorance as a 138 00:06:29,610 --> 00:06:27,220 situation in which many people have 139 00:06:32,750 --> 00:06:29,620 experiences but each person thinks that 140 00:06:35,730 --> 00:06:32,760 his or her experience is unique and 141 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:35,740 therefore it's undiscussables since it's 142 00:06:40,350 --> 00:06:37,449 not comparable to other people's 143 00:06:43,290 --> 00:06:40,360 experiences I could give you lots of 144 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:43,300 examples from my own researches on this 145 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:45,340 about people who felt that they had seen 146 00:06:49,060 --> 00:06:47,050 somebody know something nobody else had 147 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:49,070 seen and we're really 148 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:50,810 to find that whatever they were seeing 149 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:52,850 was something that actually a lot of 150 00:06:59,170 --> 00:06:54,710 other people had seen ball lightning is 151 00:07:01,060 --> 00:06:59,180 a common example of this but the basic 152 00:07:01,990 --> 00:07:01,070 point is if people don't discuss what 153 00:07:07,570 --> 00:07:02,000 happens to them 154 00:07:09,490 --> 00:07:07,580 the system cannot learn now there is a 155 00:07:12,730 --> 00:07:09,500 transition in many cases from 156 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:12,740 uncorrelated observations to the 157 00:07:17,830 --> 00:07:16,010 controversy stage and a controversy 158 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:17,840 stage is typically triggered by 159 00:07:22,690 --> 00:07:19,730 somebody's seeing a group of 160 00:07:24,370 --> 00:07:22,700 observations a pattern that they can 161 00:07:27,460 --> 00:07:24,380 make sense of in some way and they can 162 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:27,470 give it a name so this helps them 163 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:29,930 organize their own perceptions but it 164 00:07:33,970 --> 00:07:31,850 also helps organize the perceptions of 165 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:33,980 other people and by the way encourages 166 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:38,510 reporting because when people publish an 167 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:40,190 account of some sort of event other 168 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:42,170 people can then jump in and say oh I I 169 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:44,510 had one of those and you'll see how this 170 00:07:49,030 --> 00:07:45,800 happened with the battered child 171 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:49,040 syndrome but at the same time there are 172 00:07:53,530 --> 00:07:50,980 other people who feel whatever is 173 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:53,540 described by this class events is 174 00:08:05,580 --> 00:07:56,510 somehow impossible it can't exist and 175 00:08:12,340 --> 00:08:10,690 battered child syndrome a typical case 176 00:08:14,530 --> 00:08:12,350 would present with fractures to the long 177 00:08:16,630 --> 00:08:14,540 bones or phalanges sometimes in 178 00:08:19,210 --> 00:08:16,640 different stages of healing subdural 179 00:08:21,790 --> 00:08:19,220 hematomas blood blisters on the brain 180 00:08:25,450 --> 00:08:21,800 and often a lack of relevant history to 181 00:08:27,460 --> 00:08:25,460 explain the injuries now here is an 182 00:08:30,490 --> 00:08:27,470 example from a social worker of 183 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:30,500 essentially creating a controversy by 184 00:08:34,810 --> 00:08:32,810 coming forward with providing a name for 185 00:08:40,150 --> 00:08:34,820 something which previously had not been 186 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:40,160 seen to be a class of events when miss 187 00:08:44,740 --> 00:08:43,010 Elmer was asking a nurse on the infant 188 00:08:46,630 --> 00:08:44,750 floor at Children's Hospital in 189 00:08:48,670 --> 00:08:46,640 Pittsburgh about a case she'd heard 190 00:08:50,590 --> 00:08:48,680 about where a particular child had been 191 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:50,600 injured brought to the hospital by the 192 00:08:54,850 --> 00:08:52,160 parents and parents had left the 193 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:54,860 hospital she wept to the infant floor 194 00:09:01,540 --> 00:08:59,090 and asked for the cards for the case the 195 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:01,550 nurse came back with six cards 196 00:09:06,610 --> 00:09:05,210 and she says if I had thought in such 197 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:06,620 terms at all it would have considered 198 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:09,440 the original case unique but in the few 199 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:10,730 minutes revealing talk with the nurse 200 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:13,010 abuse had become a class of events with 201 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:15,260 ramifications far beyond to the infant 202 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:20,300 and family but others doubted that 203 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:24,310 parents could do this to their kids and 204 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:26,990 pediatricians who came across these 205 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:29,830 cases as well as by the way radiologists 206 00:09:34,570 --> 00:09:32,810 had difficulty dealing with these things 207 00:09:37,270 --> 00:09:34,580 because there was nothing written about 208 00:09:39,730 --> 00:09:37,280 it and this is a quotation from one of 209 00:09:43,270 --> 00:09:39,740 the pediatricians I interviewed he said 210 00:09:44,590 --> 00:09:43,280 I remember one trip down to San Antonio 211 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:44,600 he said usually everybody would gather 212 00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:46,850 and then some of the older experienced 213 00:09:49,740 --> 00:09:48,560 pediatricians would sneak up to you at 214 00:09:52,270 --> 00:09:49,750 the cocktail hour 215 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:52,280 they said you see you know I've seen a 216 00:09:57,190 --> 00:09:54,230 number of these cases there's just 217 00:09:58,690 --> 00:09:57,200 nothing written about it so the fact 218 00:10:01,030 --> 00:09:58,700 that there's nothing written about it 219 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:01,040 tends to indicate to you that you 220 00:10:08,290 --> 00:10:05,690 shouldn't in fact believe in what you're 221 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:08,300 actually seeing now an interesting 222 00:10:12,550 --> 00:10:10,090 comparison to this by the way was the 223 00:10:14,380 --> 00:10:12,560 discovery of the ozone hole how many of 224 00:10:15,580 --> 00:10:14,390 you are familiar with the history of the 225 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:15,590 discovery of the ozone hole 226 00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:17,510 all right well for the rest of you what 227 00:10:21,310 --> 00:10:19,550 happened was very interesting the 228 00:10:24,340 --> 00:10:21,320 British had observed the ozone hole for 229 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:24,350 several years before they revealed its 230 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:27,530 existence and why did they sit on the 231 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:31,370 data because the Americans had not seen 232 00:10:36,490 --> 00:10:35,120 it and they knew the Americans had they 233 00:10:39,220 --> 00:10:36,500 knew the Americans had a satellite 234 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:39,230 called the Nimbus 7 and this satellite 235 00:10:46,060 --> 00:10:44,810 had a sensing device that would tell you 236 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:46,070 what was going on in the upper 237 00:10:56,020 --> 00:10:53,510 atmosphere well the Americans had a 238 00:10:59,500 --> 00:10:56,030 glitch in the computer actually been 239 00:11:05,080 --> 00:10:59,510 programmed in that ignored out size 240 00:11:06,460 --> 00:11:05,090 values of ozone so what happened was the 241 00:11:09,070 --> 00:11:06,470 Americans reprogrammed their computer 242 00:11:11,020 --> 00:11:09,080 and the ozone hole stood out what had 243 00:11:14,990 --> 00:11:11,030 happened is a systematic blind spot had 244 00:11:18,499 --> 00:11:15,000 been programmed into the t computer 245 00:11:20,119 --> 00:11:18,509 now with the battered child syndrome one 246 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:20,129 physician suggested it might be bone 247 00:11:23,869 --> 00:11:22,470 fragility these were kids were easily 248 00:11:27,350 --> 00:11:23,879 injured but they stopped being injured 249 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:27,360 when they got to the hospital so this 250 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:31,649 lead sent to the third stage and the 251 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:33,930 third stage is resolution when the issue 252 00:11:39,499 --> 00:11:36,569 comes together and is finally admitted 253 00:11:42,050 --> 00:11:39,509 to be a fact the person who convinces 254 00:11:44,869 --> 00:11:42,060 the world by about this by the way is a 255 00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:44,879 person who connects the dots Charles 256 00:11:48,290 --> 00:11:46,560 Darwin was the person who convinced the 257 00:11:49,879 --> 00:11:48,300 world about evolution and that was 258 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:49,889 because he connected the dots he wasn't 259 00:11:53,569 --> 00:11:51,569 the first person to discover evolution 260 00:11:57,170 --> 00:11:53,579 and in fact it wasn't even the first 261 00:11:58,879 --> 00:11:57,180 person to publish on it or actually what 262 00:12:02,240 --> 00:11:58,889 happened is when the William Wallace 263 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:02,250 wrote into the journal Nature the 264 00:12:05,929 --> 00:12:03,930 publication was held up until Darwin 265 00:12:07,670 --> 00:12:05,939 could prepare a paper himself so he and 266 00:12:10,550 --> 00:12:07,680 Wallace both got credit for this 267 00:12:11,929 --> 00:12:10,560 something for the battered child 268 00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:11,939 syndrome the person who did this was 269 00:12:15,249 --> 00:12:13,920 Henry Kemp a pediatrician a head of 270 00:12:17,689 --> 00:12:15,259 pediatrics at the University of Colorado 271 00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:17,699 Kemp had been observing cases of child 272 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:20,220 abuse for years but found his resident 273 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:21,660 physicians at the University of Colorado 274 00:12:27,650 --> 00:12:25,529 didn't want to see it so the key event 275 00:12:29,509 --> 00:12:27,660 for him was treating a system that would 276 00:12:32,059 --> 00:12:29,519 allow them to do something about child 277 00:12:35,329 --> 00:12:32,069 abuse if people saw it and the key thing 278 00:12:37,790 --> 00:12:35,339 yes thank you the key thing was creating 279 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:37,800 an interdisciplinary team to deal with 280 00:12:47,660 --> 00:12:40,970 the child abuse a team of pediatrician 281 00:12:49,129 --> 00:12:47,670 radiologists and social worker in 1961 282 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:49,139 he was the head of the academy of 283 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:50,850 pediatrics he decided to use his 284 00:12:56,259 --> 00:12:53,490 position to broadcast what he thought 285 00:12:59,629 --> 00:12:56,269 was going on and he did this in the 286 00:13:02,540 --> 00:12:59,639 Grand Ballroom of the Palmer House in 287 00:13:04,069 --> 00:13:02,550 Chicago the Palmer House ballroom held a 288 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:04,079 thousand people he had an 289 00:13:09,290 --> 00:13:06,000 interdisciplinary panel he invited the 290 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:09,300 press and the result was stupendous 291 00:13:14,379 --> 00:13:10,740 basically the battered child syndrome 292 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:14,389 was put on the social agenda 293 00:13:19,819 --> 00:13:17,970 so the interdisciplinary team then was 294 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:19,829 what enabled him to do something about 295 00:13:24,650 --> 00:13:22,050 it and that was what encouraged him and 296 00:13:25,879 --> 00:13:24,660 his fellow pediatricians to go forward 297 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:25,889 and do something about the battered 298 00:13:28,950 --> 00:13:28,170 child syndrome so the ability to see the 299 00:13:31,020 --> 00:13:28,960 problem was in 300 00:13:33,060 --> 00:13:31,030 connected with the ability to do 301 00:13:35,580 --> 00:13:33,070 something about it now an interesting 302 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:35,590 question is why didn't John caffee the 303 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:37,360 pediatric radiologist who published the 304 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:39,520 original paper why wasn't he the person 305 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:41,710 who brought this forward and the answer 306 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:45,040 was he was afraid of legal action he was 307 00:13:48,930 --> 00:13:47,410 afraid that Pediatric Radiology which he 308 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:48,940 had pioneered in which he was deeply 309 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:51,130 connected with would be harmed by 310 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:53,380 talking about something as far out as 311 00:13:59,040 --> 00:13:56,500 battered children so he literally sat on 312 00:14:00,450 --> 00:13:59,050 the data as far as his publications were 313 00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:00,460 concerned he did confide in his 314 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:05,080 residents about this so principle number 315 00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:06,970 three is an anomaly will seldom be 316 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:08,380 accepted based on physical evidence 317 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:10,870 alone it has to be connected up to what 318 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:13,360 we already know and this by the way for 319 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:15,160 ball lightning has been a the kiss of 320 00:14:19,470 --> 00:14:17,500 death because nobody really knows what 321 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:19,480 ball lightning is and therefore since we 322 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:23,950 can't explain it we can't accept it all 323 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:28,210 right so here's my summary first of all 324 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:30,720 when you're dealing with a hidden event 325 00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:34,510 reports will be scarce at first if you 326 00:14:41,370 --> 00:14:36,430 say there can't be any reports often 327 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:41,380 there won't be three if you expect to be 328 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:44,130 the first to know often you aren't 329 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:46,330 experts sometimes say well hey I would 330 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:48,450 be the first person to know about this 331 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:53,380 well often they aren't for if you create 332 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:54,610 channels for reporting you will get 333 00:14:58,860 --> 00:14:56,830 reporting this is certainly true the 334 00:15:00,690 --> 00:14:58,870 battered child syndrome which originally 335 00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:00,700 seemed to be hundreds of cases and now 336 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:02,590 seems like millions for the United 337 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:06,250 States if you encourage reporting there 338 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:09,250 will be more of it and sometimes there's 339 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:11,170 over reporting and many of you have 340 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:13,180 known as you've gone into the hospital 341 00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:14,650 with an injured child or something like 342 00:15:17,730 --> 00:15:16,240 that you're gonna be questioned about 343 00:15:20,130 --> 00:15:17,740 your role in creating the injuries and 344 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:20,140 the child I had this happen with my 345 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:22,570 mother who was brought to the hospital 346 00:15:27,690 --> 00:15:25,450 one day second and they questioned me 347 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:27,700 for a long time 348 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:30,850 so finally resolution the 349 00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:33,250 solution of all these things has to do 350 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:35,920 with connecting the dots to attach 351 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:38,530 causes to effects to show how this fits 352 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:40,510 into the scheme of knowledge and so 353 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:41,600 forth 354 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:44,990 so this is the end of the presentation 355 00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:55,430 thank you very much for listening thank 356 00:15:59,740 --> 00:15:57,560 you Ron for an excellent presentation on 357 00:16:02,670 --> 00:15:59,750 a very serious subject do we have any 358 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:12,250 subject was - serious question as I've 359 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:15,050 been long interested in this problem of 360 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:17,330 resistant to innovation not only in the 361 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:20,450 medical field but in in other fields as 362 00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,110 well and I'm wondering it Ron do you 363 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:26,000 know of anybody who's done any studies 364 00:16:31,570 --> 00:16:28,910 to show the show the actual length of 365 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:31,580 time from will say the discovery of a 366 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:36,530 phenomenon or a disease or an event or 367 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:38,750 something like this - the time of actual 368 00:16:44,020 --> 00:16:41,390 acceptance because it's in some cases 369 00:16:46,270 --> 00:16:44,030 it's hundreds even thousands of years 370 00:16:48,340 --> 00:16:46,280 like Democritus and the you know the 371 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,350 theories of atoms and the Greek times of 372 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:50,480 Greek and then it was wrong idea it was 373 00:16:56,050 --> 00:16:52,880 actually accepted so let me let me let 374 00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:56,060 me give you an example Mosteller the 375 00:17:01,830 --> 00:16:58,070 statistician has an article on 376 00:17:04,270 --> 00:17:01,840 innovation in Mosteller 377 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:04,280 has an article on innovation in science 378 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:08,180 ok the science a journal and he talks 379 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:10,730 about the discovery of lime juice and 380 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:12,290 its effectiveness in the British Navy 381 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:15,020 and as I recall basically the lag 382 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:17,329 between the first discovery of the 383 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:18,770 importance of lime juice and its 384 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:22,760 systemic uses about 100 years ok I'll be 385 00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:24,230 happy to give you some other references 386 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:26,240 for for similar things in medicine and 387 00:17:30,670 --> 00:17:28,250 so forth sociologists of technology and 388 00:17:32,020 --> 00:17:30,680 medicine have had for a long time lists 389 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:32,030 of things that were resisted by 390 00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:33,610 scientists and so forth in spite of 391 00:17:37,870 --> 00:17:35,840 discoveries ins and and basically 392 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:37,880 everybody with a new discovery has to 393 00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:40,430 fight a battle of some lengths to you 394 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:42,080 know to get whatever their discovery is 395 00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:44,870 accepted science seldom welcomes with 396 00:17:51,610 --> 00:17:46,880 open arms people who come forward with 397 00:18:08,930 --> 00:18:06,799 could you stand up start treating ulcer 398 00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,940 disease duodenal ulcer disease with 399 00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:10,559 antibiotics even though it was proven 400 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,140 that it was caused by a bacteria and for 401 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:15,120 about five to ten years doctors would 402 00:18:18,740 --> 00:18:17,340 you know reluctantly give the bacteria 403 00:18:20,299 --> 00:18:18,750 because it was standard or given 404 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:20,309 antibiotic because it was standard of 405 00:18:24,399 --> 00:18:22,110 care but they would also give the 406 00:18:29,539 --> 00:18:24,409 antacids and tell people to avoid coffee 407 00:18:32,450 --> 00:18:29,549 but it took ten years um you've given us 408 00:18:34,010 --> 00:18:32,460 a very good microcosmic look it was a 409 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:34,020 more macro but I believe it's more 410 00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:36,510 macrocosmic problem and I'm sure 411 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:37,919 everyone here can find their own 412 00:18:44,029 --> 00:18:40,530 research and your little principles and 413 00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:44,039 such and I think this is very applicable 414 00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:46,320 to the evolution of science as a whole 415 00:18:50,570 --> 00:18:48,900 in fact your last step could be if it's 416 00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:50,580 a big enough connecting the dots it 417 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:52,559 could be a scientific revolution have 418 00:18:59,120 --> 00:18:54,450 you personally tried to put it into 419 00:19:02,960 --> 00:18:59,130 these larger perspectives scientific 420 00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:02,970 evolution repulsion the fact is is that 421 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:06,030 I disagree with Henry slightly that he 422 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:07,440 thinks science has gotten worse I think 423 00:19:11,899 --> 00:19:09,809 it's it's been pretty bad all along when 424 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:11,909 I come when a kind when it comes to this 425 00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,240 kind of stuff okay I think I've done 426 00:19:19,610 --> 00:19:17,280 essentially a comparative study of these 427 00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:19,620 hidden events including the meteorite 428 00:19:26,029 --> 00:19:22,440 case battered children black footed 429 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:26,039 ferret UFOs sea serpents ball lightning 430 00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:29,610 etc etc etc there are remarkably common 431 00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:31,830 patterns this is not to say that the 432 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:33,480 stuff that's more questionable today 433 00:19:38,570 --> 00:19:36,090 will ultimately be proven to be correct 434 00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:38,580 but simply denote you know John 435 00:19:43,399 --> 00:19:41,580 Alexander has made fun of faint signals 436 00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:43,409 but often these events announce 437 00:19:48,110 --> 00:19:45,840 themselves by faint signals and the key 438 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:48,120 is what is the device by which we sort 439 00:19:51,950 --> 00:19:50,010 out the signals and to those that are 440 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:51,960 potentially researchable it's a very 441 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:53,820 interesting comment on this by the way 442 00:19:59,720 --> 00:19:57,690 made by Jean Baptiste Bo who was a 443 00:20:02,000 --> 00:19:59,730 discoverer in many respects of 444 00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:02,010 meteorites and did the first report on 445 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:04,980 the fall in 1803 that essentially 446 00:20:10,550 --> 00:20:07,860 the meteorite situation for science and 447 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:10,560 he said in these matters he said the 448 00:20:17,570 --> 00:20:14,250 uninformed simply believe the half seven 449 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:17,580 decides but the instructed person knows 450 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:20,100 how to do research and I think that's a 451 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:23,130 good thought for the sse yes we have to 452 00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:26,910 know how to do research I think you've 453 00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:29,460 also at least for me I think you've 454 00:20:35,570 --> 00:20:32,280 shown me that it isn't just me it's more 455 00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:35,580 or less endemic to human nature yes I 456 00:20:42,410 --> 00:20:38,160 think so we call this section the 457 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:42,420 sociology of science so thank you thank